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Mumsnet (the online parenting forum) is suing OpenAI for using data from its website without permission to train ChatGPT. They claim this scraping of data harms their site by reducing traffic and breaches their copyright and terms of use. Mumsnet argues that OpenAI should pay for access to their content, similar to agreements OpenAI has with other companies.
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What's going on here?
This week, the law firm Harbottle & Lewis announced itās representing Mumsnet (a UK-based internet forum for parents) in its dispute with OpenAI (the creator of ChatGPT). Itās the first legal action against OpenAI in the UK.
Why is Mumsnet suing OpenAI?
Theyāre not happy that OpenAIās been ādata scrapingā their site.
Data scraping is where a computer reads data from publicly available web pages. Mumsnet believes OpenAI scraped the 6 billion words in its forums without its permission to train ChatGPT (the popular AI chatbot).
Why is data scraping an issue?
Before large language models like ChatGPT, the closest thing to data scraping was called ādata crawlingā. This is where search engines like Google trawled the internet to find and make a catalogue of websites. Mumsnet is fine with data crawling because appearing in Googleās results means they get traffic sent to their site.
But companies like OpenAI that scrape data are different ā the websites that are scraped get nothing in return (unless they have a licensing agreement where the tech company pays them for the content). Data scraping is actually harming the sites because if ChatGPT can directly give a user the content from the website, the website loses out on clicks.
How are companies preventing data scraping?
Theyāre using robots to protect themselves.
Well, something called ārobots.txtā ā this is a file they can put on their website which blocks their content from specified data scrapers. Mumsnet has now used this to prevent AI companies like OpenAI and Google Gemini from training their AI products on Mumsnetās data.
But Mumsnetās still worried about what OpenAI managed to scrape before they blocked it.
How likely is Mumsnet to succeed in its claim?
Mumsnet has two main complaints against OpenAI:
OpenAI has infringed upon its copyright, and
OpenAI has breached the terms of use on its website.
Copyright: Proving copyright infringement is hard. Mumsnet would need to show that ChatGPT is exactly reproducing its copyrighted content in response to certain prompts (itās what The New York Times had to do in its lawsuit against OpenAI last year in the US). Mumsnet would have to prove that ChatGPT couldnāt have gotten that material from anywhere else.
Terms of use: Mumsnet could have a better chance arguing that OpenAI breached its terms of use. Literally the first term in its terms of use (you can see it below) says: āNo part of the Website may be distributed, scraped, or copied for any commercial purposes without express approval and a licence to do soā.
How can you resolve this? One way is a licensing agreement which allows OpenAI to pay Mumsnet for access to its content (this is what OpenAI did with News Corp ā the company that owns brands like The Wall Street Journal, The Times and The Daily Telegraph). Mumsnet approached OpenAI to talk licensing earlier this year ā but discussions broke down.
Whatās OpenAIās defence?
OpenAI says āit would be impossible to train todayās leading AI models without using copyright materialsā ā they believe theyāre legally allowed to use copyrighted material to train large language models.
Will this argument work? Wellā¦ maybe, in the US. Over there, theyāve got a ādoctrine of fair useā which allows excerpts of copyrighted material to be quoted exactly for some āfair useā purposes (like criticism, news reporting, teaching, and research) without permission from the copyright holder. But the UK doesnāt have this āfair useā right (we have something called āfair dealingā which is similar, but more strict and unlikely to help OpenAI here).
Under EU law (which the UK kept after Brexit), thereās something called the ātransient copyā exception. This exists to help tech companies develop while protecting copyrighted works.
It lets you copy something without permission if the copying:
Is incidental or transient (meaning it happens by accident or is temporary and short-lived)
Is essential to the technological process (meaning itās necessary for the technology to work properly)
Is to enable lawful use of the copyrighted work (meaning the copied work is used in a way thatās legal)
Has no independent economic significance (meaning the copying itself doesnāt create a separate economic value or benefit)
This exception hasnāt been tested in English courts for products like ChatGPT. But you can only use it if you donāt unfairly harm the rights of the copyright owner ā so training an AI chatbot without permission from the copyright owner probably wouldnāt meet this standard.
Whatās a lawyerās role in this?
Mumsnet has turned to Harbottle & Lewis for help ā and theyāve taken the first step in starting a claim. Theyāve written to OpenAI setting out a summary of the facts, the legal basis of the complaint, and what compensation their client would like.
This initial communication is part of the āpre-action protocolsā required as the first step in any dispute. The parties need to exchange enough information to:
Understand each otherās positions and decide how to proceed
Consider alternative ways to resolve the dispute (avoiding court)
Ensure the proceedings are managed efficiently
OpenAIās lawyers must respond to this letter (in a complex case like this, theyāll usually have up to three months). Itās the first time OpenAIās dealing with this sort of complaint in the UK, so itās not clear which firm will be representing them. In the US, theyāve usually gone to Morrison Foerster or Wachtell Lipton.
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